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BYU49er
Sun Mar-18-07 03:37 AM
Member since Jul 20th 2005
183 posts
#265194, "Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
Late Friday night, actually 1am on Saturday morning, after pouring over every post and thread I could find regarding mauitripletmom and the vicious attack on her I deactivated madmolly, kylamel, and baseballmom. I also removed from the forum mauitripletmom and 3 others.
Maui is a legitimate mother seriously in need of the type of help that is available here on the board. To attack her especially in the manner she was totally uncalled for. She apologized but was flamed again. Both Janet and myself are totally embarressed by the situation. She first came to us when she was pregnant with tripets in dire need of what we have to offer and only recently (12/06) came to the forum with additional problems. She WAS (notice the caps)very impressed and greatfull for the help she received. Being new to the IT world and only using the forum for a few short weeks wasn't aware of the mistakes and misconceptions she had. Those who take offense to the use of the word natural instead of spontaneous only create problems for themselves. Ditto when the entire message was in caps, no offense was intended. She wasn't being rude, but those who relentlessly attacked her were.
The Triplet Connection Form is propietary property of the corporation. What is represented here is a direct reflection on the organization as a whole and what we try to present to HOM's. When this type of bashing goes on, the quality of the Triplet Connection is damaged. We have been since conception in 1983 the foremost and most highly respected organization for multiple birth families.
I am constantly reminding users of the guidelines regarding usage, most importantly negative posts and remarks, but in this case it appears to be of no avail. Madmolly's comment of opening a large can of whoop ass and beating her in the head, goes far beyond the limits of civil acceptance. Joking or not, what were you thinking? Maui's culture is very family oriented and when a personal attack on her happens, not only is she offended but the entire family also and that extends far beyond those who reside in the immediate household.
For those who have been removed and want to discuss this, you can email me at the office webmaster@tripletconnection.org. I will be back either Tuesday or Wednesday. Janet and I are in Sacramento on an important matter of personal family business.
Jeff Bleyl
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RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, foreveramom, Mar 18th 2007, #1
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, jonib, Mar 18th 2007, #2
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, JesTrips, Mar 18th 2007, #3
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, tripleg, Mar 18th 2007, #4
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, gkm15099, Mar 18th 2007, #5
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, Triplethefun04, Mar 18th 2007, #6
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, cdemp, Mar 18th 2007, #8
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, gkm15099, Mar 18th 2007, #11
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, catybarra, Mar 18th 2007, #7
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, BYU49er, Mar 18th 2007, #17
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, Mad_molly, Mar 18th 2007, #19
It's called RESPECT, Grandma28, Mar 18th 2007, #9
RE: It's called RESPECT, Triplethefun04, Mar 18th 2007, #10
RE: It's called RESPECT, Grandma28, Mar 18th 2007, #13
RE: It's called RESPECT, Tripsgram, Mar 18th 2007, #12
RE: It's called RESPECT, AngelP, Mar 18th 2007, #16
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, morethemerrier, Mar 18th 2007, #14
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, Mad_molly, Mar 18th 2007, #15
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, boomom, Mar 18th 2007, #40
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLANATION, crybilus8, Mar 18th 2007, #18
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, julie123, Mar 18th 2007, #20
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, boomom, Mar 18th 2007, #21
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, tripplefun, Mar 18th 2007, #22
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, casanndra, Mar 18th 2007, #23
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, Mad_molly, Mar 18th 2007, #24
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RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, tripplefun, Mar 18th 2007, #28
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RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, Mad_molly, Mar 18th 2007, #30
RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, foreveramom, Mar 18th 2007, #33
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RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION, Laurene, Mar 18th 2007, #39
foreveramom
Sun Mar-18-07 09:10 AM
Member since Jan 30th 2006
749 posts
#265212, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Respectfully, I'd like to offer up this opinion, for what it's worth. The sentence:
Maui's culture is very family oriented and when a personal attack on her happens, not only is she offended but the entire family also and that extends far beyond those who reside in the immediate household.
I find it offensive. Very offensive. What about our mainstream American culture where if we're threatened (glad you don't live in our town) by someone, we have the right to defend and come out swinging. Isn't that the way America works? Defend your right to speak. Defend your right to have an opinion without fear for threats that will ensue by "another culture."
I love different cultures, but let's also not lose sight of the majority. I think sometimes we cater so much to the minority - no matter what the issue - that it becomes the majority who get the shaft.
Why not defend those who've been here for the longterm and tell mauimom to take a hike instead. Way out of line, IMHO.
Thanks for letting me express my opinion. I'm hoping that this isn't a dictatorship and that my opinion (because it's different) won't be yanked.
Lesa
Mom to: Kristi - 20, USAF, wife & mom **Kevin - 18, a Chemical Engineering Honor Student at USF **Kelli - 16, Principal's Honor Roll student **Angus - 4, beautiful redhead **Ruca, Nadia, Max - 2, GGB triplets www.angusandthetriplets.com
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jonib
Sun Mar-18-07 09:15 AM
Member since Oct 11th 2005
209 posts
#265213, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 1
>Respectfully, I'd like to offer up this opinion, for what
>it's worth. The sentence:
>
>Maui's culture is very family oriented and when a personal
>attack on her happens, not only is she offended but the entire
>family also and that extends far beyond those who reside in
>the immediate household.
>
>I find it offensive. Very offensive. What about our
>mainstream American culture where if we're threatened (glad
>you don't live in our town) by someone, we have the right to
>defend and come out swinging. Isn't that the way America
>works? Defend your right to speak. Defend your right to have
>an opinion without fear for threats that will ensue by
>"another culture."
>
>I love different cultures, but let's also not lose sight of
>the majority. I think sometimes we cater so much to the
>minority - no matter what the issue - that it becomes the
>majority who get the shaft.
>
>Why not defend those who've been here for the longterm and
>tell mauimom to take a hike instead. Way out of line, IMHO.
>
>Thanks for letting me express my opinion. I'm hoping that
>this isn't a dictatorship and that my opinion (because it's
>different) won't be yanked.
Lesa--thank you for expressing in words what many of us are feeling!
Jonib
mom to
Abby
Andy
Caroline
33 weeks 11/20/05
Rhett 9
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JesTrips
Sun Mar-18-07 09:30 AM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1225 posts
#265216, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 1
I have to agree with Lesa.
My family is very close and we stand up for one another but that doesn't mean I go pick a fight and then put my family out there to fight my battle.
It is a slap in the face to us moms that have been here a while to have this person just show up one day and make idle threats and if we stand up for ourselves we are the ones reprimanded.
Could it have been handled better? Probably so. But we are all human and we make mistakes - whether we admit it or not.
"
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tripleg
Sun Mar-18-07 09:39 AM
Member since Jan 27th 2006
265 posts
#265217, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 3
Ok I am going to stand up and be blasted and I really don't care. I really don't post much on here and when I do it is for questions and support from you other triplet moms. I look here to find answers that only a triplet mom knows. But I come on now and all there is drama. Come on ladies let it go! Lets keep the integrity of this board for those who really need it. Maybe instead of letting the drama continue how about finding solutions on how to make the board better. How about age groups, or a section on commonly asked questions ex. sleep, naps, strollers etc.
I really don't want to be in the midst of the drama but I am hoping an innocent bystander will help neutralize the situation because I know there are lots of moms like me who really need this board.
Crystal
ggg fraternal triplets born 3/4/06
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gkm15099
Sun Mar-18-07 09:45 AM
Member since Feb 24th 2007
84 posts
#265219, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 4
I'll second Crystal and add that we also don't want to lose the advice that a lot of these moms have to give, especially moms who have older trips. I know you guys have saved me a lot of money and sanity.
Kimberly,
Mom to Isabelle, Alyssa, and Makenna
www.guinnfamilyhome.com
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Triplethefun04
Sun Mar-18-07 09:57 AM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
21 posts
#265221, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 4
How about we've tried that many times.
They don't care. They aren't interested in setting anything up to be more user friendly. How about others have asked to have special sections for like age, information on starting out, like what's needed, etc.
It's been tried and it's been rejected - REPEATEDLY. So feel free to try again and let's hope that you can get further than the many that have tried before you!
Michelle
(formerly known as bsebllmom9 )
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cdemp
Sun Mar-18-07 10:23 AM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1033 posts
#265225, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 4
Sun Mar-18-07 10:24 AM by cdemp
Crystal & Kimberly,
There are many tc members who are here to offer you support and try to answer any HOM-related questions you may have. I have gggs (like you!) who are almost 6 years old, and I've visited this board since I was pregnant. Drama like this happens periodically; it'll blow over. -- Gloria
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gkm15099
Sun Mar-18-07 11:17 AM
Member since Feb 24th 2007
84 posts
#265240, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 8
Thanks Gloria,
I appericate the feedback. It helps to know that this happens. I just hope people don't leave. We need all the support we can get.
Kimberly,
Mom to Isabelle, Alyssa, and Makenna
www.guinnfamilyhome.com
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catybarra
Sun Mar-18-07 09:58 AM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
526 posts
#265222, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 1
I totally agree with Lesa. I will not repeat my private email to you here, but will state that the first threat came from Maui to me in a private message, then sent to one other person, and escalated from there. This situation should not result in the banning of the long term members.
Respectfully,
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BYU49er
Sun Mar-18-07 12:48 PM
Member since Jul 20th 2005
183 posts
#265267, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 1
You won't be yanked for an email to me that is polite and relevant. I do respect your opinion. Maui and her family are from HI and of Samoan decent. Last time I looked HI is a state and Somoa is a territory of the US. Does that make them a minority? yes and no. Minority is irrevealent in a diverse multi-cultrual society. Your post seems to lean more to the democracy side of the issue where the majority rules, but then America is not a Democracy is it?
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Mad_molly
Sun Mar-18-07 12:53 PM
Member since Mar 17th 2007
27 posts
#265270, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 17
I understand from your email to another member that you spent an hour on the phone with Maui trying to fix her hurt feelings, but you banned us and didn't have time for an email? Your emotions got the best of you. You are playing favorites. It's a shame.
Lea
G 6/97
G 7/99
G 6/04 @ 34 weeks
BGG 1/06 @ 28 weeks
http://killertomatoandthepeapodsquad.blogspot.com/
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Grandma28
Sun Mar-18-07 10:35 AM
Member since Feb 03rd 2007
64 posts
#265229, "It's called RESPECT"
In response to Reply # 0
Wow!! I am new here pretty much last few months but am gonna speak up. Ladies this board is a very helpful place for all. Age can be darned!! I am a grandma who gets alot of info here!!! And, GOOD info!!! (Not yelling with the caps, emphasizing!!) Anyway, it is always easy to throw stones at each other. It's not always easy to be kind and understanding and compasionate!!!
I have served on a school board for 8 years, yes, I am more than a grandma and Realtor!!! My point for telling you I was on school board is this. I used to set back and tell the school board all they did wrong. Decided what the heck, I can do better than them! So I ran and was elected not once but twice. And when I decided not to run again I was begged to re-run a third time. The reason? Because I learned a very valuable lesson and was not afraid to admit I was wrong! I also learned to LISTEN to ALL sides. The lessons?? Where am I going? Well, it's easy to be a critic. It's NOT easy to be on a board. Try pleasing hundreds of people! It is IMPOSSIBLE!!! (Again, not yelling) The other parts of the lesson? It is in listening to all sides and not judging them wrong because they have a different opinion than you do. It is called RESPECT!!! Respect others opinions, respect others rights, respect others as fellow human beings. We all have crosses to bear, different crosses at different times. You do not know what is going on in peoples lives 24/7. Try to be a little more compassionate to others. If they share, they are being dramatic, if they don't then you don't know what is going on in their lives.
This is absolutely NOT directed at anyone or any post. With age comes the wisdom of knowing that you need to be a little careful about whose toes you step on today. They may be attached to the A** you have to kiss tomorrow! You may think well they live there I live here, well you never know!!!!!!!!!
Again, not intended to attack anyone or any post. It's so sad that the forum has so much garbage. I am afraid to post and ask questions anymore. Thank God for the ones I can ask questions of!!!!
Overall I so admire you ladies and your opinions and your kindness and support of each other. Don't lose site of that ladies. You ALL are terrific women!!!! I RESPECT each of you!!
Grandma Barb
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Triplethefun04
Sun Mar-18-07 10:58 AM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
21 posts
#265235, "RE: It's called RESPECT"
In response to Reply # 9
So what you're saying is that if we don't kiss ass and be nice and blow sunshine up everyone ass, then we're wrong? How is that welcoming difference of opinion? I'm confused...I'll go tend to my triplets now...
Michelle
(formerly known as bsebllmom9 )
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Grandma28
Sun Mar-18-07 11:26 AM
Member since Feb 03rd 2007
64 posts
#265242, "RE: It's called RESPECT"
In response to Reply # 10
Not at all Michelle. I am sorry you don't get the point I was trying to make. Enough on this subject, I believe again the moderators will need to pull a post. Thank God for the moms that are not so judgemental!!!
If you believe in God at all, don't be a hypocrite. You can't judge others so harshly if you truely believe in him!! So, next time you post and say you'll say a prayer? Think twice!!! You can't have it both ways.
Now- I will not be posting anymore as i feel that the integrity of the forum has been shaken to the core. I am so sorry for that. I was trying to be helpful and smooth things over.
I have genuine concern for the moms in here. But, when you post you get attacked by a few. That is so sad. To those of you who want to know about Melanie and the babies please feel free to email me. I really appreciate the support from so many!!! I have real concerns and worries.
Now, I will take another posters advise and go play with children!
Love and good wishes to all the good moms out there! And there are so many of you!! Bless you all.
Grandma28 or Grandma Barb
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Tripsgram
Sun Mar-18-07 11:25 AM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
304 posts
#265241, "RE: It's called RESPECT"
In response to Reply # 9
Well said. From another grandma of triplets . . . I am a retired middle school administrator. Some of these inflamatory posts remind me so much of middle school girls' behavior!
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AngelP
Sun Mar-18-07 12:42 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1121 posts
#265263, "RE: It's called RESPECT"
In response to Reply # 9
Sun Mar-18-07 12:45 PM by AngelP
Grandma Barb,
Thank you for posting this. I have been here for a very very long time (since 1998). We won't all agree with each other, and that is alright. But we should respect each other and be supportive of each other in our responses. If we can't be supportive, then we shouldn't post anything. Raising triplets is hard enough...and if we are really struggling and need support we definitely don't need all this drama.
I did not see all the posts this time around, but have seen alot of negativity around lately. It truly is a shame. Jeff and Janet have done a great job with the Triplet Connection. I would hope that we can all be supportive of everything they have done, and not cause the integrity of this forum to be diminished.
Thanks again for posting this. There is so much support on this board and so many people here there are willing to encourage others. Please don't be afraid to post and ask questions. We are here for you!
Angel (mom to Justin, Andrew, Brandon 7 yrs, Angie 13 yrs)
Help fight prematurity and save the lives of babies! Visit: www.walkamerica.org/PiechotaFamily
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morethemerrier
Sun Mar-18-07 12:16 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1738 posts
#265256, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Jeff, I did not involve myself in the drama, I didn't even read the post that started it all. However, in reading your post, and reading a few things that were referenced on the other threads.. May I ask you to please review what you have done through unbiased eyes? It seems from the tone of this post that you might be feeling a fondness for Maui that may have overshadowed your decisions somewhat. From what I understand... someone tried to gently advise her of a sensitive subject. Had she simply said "thanks, I'm sorry, and I will try not to offend anyone anymore" Would you be posting this? Would you have ended up banning members, respected, long standing members? Nope. My guess is that not what she said, and the truth would then be... she initiated things with her response. Try to see that side of things. And being new is no excuse for bad behavior and rudeness. And for those that were rude right back... gee you lowered yourself to her level... always a good example.
I've been here a very very very long time. When the board rolled over I had nearly 7000 posts. I've seen drama, I've seen people come and go. In all of them, I think decisions were made, sound decisions, by you and Janet. But I'm questioning your decision this time around.
MTM - mom to Michael(84),Stephan(85), Thomas, Matthew and Kathryn - born 12/27/99 at 32w 0 days
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Mad_molly
Sun Mar-18-07 12:26 PM
Member since Mar 17th 2007
27 posts
#265259, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Jeff,
Can you email me the part where I said I would "beat her in the head"? Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to pull up that post for reference, but I would imagine that you have it still available. I feel very certain that I did not say that. That doesn't even sound like me. Perhaps it was said in another context? I am sratchin' my head on that one. Could you shed a little light before my non-violent reputation is publicly called into question? I am sarcastic. I am not violent. Maybe a little bit of American culture can be used to see my words as they were intended, or is she the only poster who receives the benefit of cultural understanding? It appears you have a complete understanding and means by which to placate her actions and are intent upon vilifying ours. I am at a loss.
When she went after Tiffani and after reflecting upon her threats in the other posts, I came on with my typical smart-ass response (an attempt at humor that is sometimes lost on certain individuals, but usually de-escalates a heated situation) saying that if she didn't stop yelling at everyone I would have to "open a can of whoop as on her butt" and I believe ended that with an "LOL!"
Is there a can of Whoop ass lying around that you know of? Do I have that preverbal can of Whoop ass readily at my disposal? Cause I am fairly certain that is merely a figurative phrase. And the "LOL!" should allow readers to know that I am being sassy and silly not violent.
I made a solemn attempt to post a non-confrontational explanation to the board as to why some members are sensitive to the term "natural" in reference to their triplets. I didn’t see her original post and had not yet encountered the drama. I understand that if you have not walked in the infertile woman’s shoes, understanding those feelings may be difficult. I was offering understanding, not chastising or attacking. I even prefaced that in my post. Sometimes with understanding, conflicts can be resolved. Other times, humor is the answer.
If you had a problem with my post, I understand it being pulled. If you think that I am a violent person and a danger to a member, I would expect you to ban me for the safety of the board. However, I would expect the moderator of the "most highly respected organization for multiple birth families" to send a private email of explanation so that I can either explain myself or apologize, if I felt I was wrong. None of the banned posters, all of whom have been positive contributors to this board for years, were afforded such professional courtesy. The almighty sword of one-sided TC justice was wielded.
Currenty, there is a post which asked the "Banned girls to get a life" that is in no way supportive to anyone. In fact, it flames the situation. The "banned girls" have been unceremoniously kicked off of a social support group that we have been active members of for years. It's very upsetting. It's very hurtful. And, until this very moment, I had no idea why this occurred. I think our distress is understandable. However, this inflammatory post is allowed to stay and mock those of us who have been shunned. If the flame war supports the views of the moderators, it’s allowed to stay. I suppose that poster is just doing your bidding. The decisions of the moderators are inconsistent, at best. Very disappointing.
So, what is the resolution? Are the three of us banished, never to return. Are we in a "time out"? I am confused. Jeff, could you clarify? I do not understand the difference between banned and deactivated? Help me understand.
Lea
G 6/97
G 7/99
G 6/04 @ 34 weeks
BGG 1/06 @ 28 weeks
http://killertomatoandthepeapodsquad.blogspot.com/
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boomom
Sun Mar-18-07 05:42 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1369 posts
#265392, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 15
Sun Mar-18-07 05:44 PM by boomom
"Currenty, there is a post which asked the "Banned girls to get a life" that is in no way supportive to anyone. In fact, it flames the situation. The "banned girls" have been unceremoniously kicked off of a social support group that we have been active members of for years. It's very upsetting. It's very hurtful. And, until this very moment, I had no idea why this occurred. I think our distress is understandable. However, this inflammatory post is allowed to stay and mock those of us who have been shunned. If the flame war supports the views of the moderators, it’s allowed to stay. I suppose that poster is just doing your bidding. The decisions of the moderators are inconsistent, at best. Very disappointing."
And starting a post labled "Can I make a post..." is in any way supportive to anyone?
Pot or kettle?
FWIW, the thread that you are questioning was pulled quicker than your "Can I make a post.." thread.
Gina
G 12yo
BGG(Down Syndrome)9yo
"You will know sorrow like few others and yet you will know joy above joy. You will meet dirty faced angels on playgrounds who are kind to your child without being told to be." Susan F. Rzucidlo
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crybilus8
Sun Mar-18-07 12:52 PM
Member since Aug 22nd 2005
456 posts
#265268, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLANATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Hello Jeff, and everyone,
I want to play devil's advocate here too a little.
One 1 hand, I understand the need to monitor the forum as it is a pubic site and I have never seen anything get so out of hand that it would shock so many people that they gasp.
That being said, I also see what seems to be obvious to me. So many women from very different walks of life have very different opinions. I have read posts that seem to belittle and appear holier than thou causing me to prevent posting some of my own questions. I like to think I have some think skin, but to read post after post about how this 1 has it all figured out and that 1 has 1 tragedy after the next is just too much to take some times. I've only been on for 2 years, but even back then it was more about sharing what you go through and not people lecturing and shaking a finger while others cry about how hard THEY have it over everyone else.
Now if someone feeds their trio a can of spaghetti-o's or smacks a hand, they are made to feel like a criminal.
I know some people are more sheltered in their lives than others, but I liked it here b/c it wasn't so straight laced and up tight. I understand being politically correct, but there are other ways of being vulgar than cursing or being sarcastic.
I understand your position and status, but I think part of TC's charm was that there were different people here and some use slang, some use proper grammar, and some can barely type at all.
I think it's still a type of discrimination if you weed out the people with some spunk and just leave all the pretty LADIES in their Sunday best.
JMO, of course, but I used to think everyone's opinions were treated equally here.
The other Crystal:-)
Crystal
GGG-Serena, Maxine, Cassidy 31 weeks on 12/12/04
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julie123
Sun Mar-18-07 01:23 PM
Member since Jun 13th 2006
507 posts
#265275, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Evere forum Ive ever belonged to in my short internet life has this sort of problem. It comes and goes around in a vicious cycle. It just happens.
However, I think that the moderators of this board do a wonderful job with what they have to work with, and it's hard to be fair to everyone because the one that is being punished will always see it as being unfair and them being picked at. Whether they deserved the punishment or not. THat's just how it works.
I think we need to stop the damn "natural/spontaneous/IVF" sensitivities. I HAVE IVF babies. I cringe when NON HOM's comment on he conception of my children, but here, I personally do not. Many new moms to the board don't know the "politics" of such things, and maybe we should just let it slide. Is it really that big of a deal on this board?
That being said, Jeff, I am sick of catering to the minority in the USA, ok. I wasn't privy to the conversatsions that went on and the threats from Mauimom, but I do know that regardless of who said what, who started slining mud first and who responded with their own slininging, I have come to understand that both parties were WRONG in what they were doing. But I, as well as many others on this site, could give a crap less about her culture being very family oriented. This is the USA and we unfortunately we DO cater the miniority, always living in fear of who we might offend. I just hope that mindset doesn't carry over onto this board, otherwise I have NO business being here. I REFUSE to cater... if you want to be a part, adapt and overcome.
Julie wife to Mark and mom to
Tristan Declan 4lbs 3oz
Cassandra Madison 4lbs 7oz
Ryland Markus 4lbs 2oz
Born on 9/5/06 at 32 weeks 4 days
www.cysticfibrosismaleinfertility.com
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boomom
Sun Mar-18-07 01:47 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1369 posts
#265284, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Three words....*THANK* *YOU* *JEFF*!!!
Gina
G 12yo
BGG(Down Syndrome)9yo
"You will know sorrow like few others and yet you will know joy above joy. You will meet dirty faced angels on playgrounds who are kind to your child without being told to be." Susan F. Rzucidlo
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tripplefun
Sun Mar-18-07 01:59 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
786 posts
#265290, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
OK, I am confused. Mauimom or whatever her TC ID is physically threatened members here. Jeff spent an hour on the phone with her trying to help her get over her hurt feelings. 3 wonderful, helpful, long time members get banned for standing up to her. She started the war, threatened members. yet she doesnt get banned?
Unfortunately MTM said it best, the way im reading all of this is that Jeff and Janet are sticking up for the new mauimom member. I could give a rats a$$ where she lives, thats irrelivent!
In all the years that ive been here, 8 to be more specific I have never known any member to physically threaten another member, ever. Yet this woman is getting personal phone calls and pats on the back, wtf has happened here.
And yes, every now and then we agree to disagree, what do you expect with a board full of woman and men with multiples, we do get tired, stressed, mean, irritated. Do you want us to come to TC and act like we are having a great day, perfect kids as to not piss anyone off here?
Alot of members use this site to vent, I know I do and it makes me feel damn good after Ive posted, esp. when i get a response or 2 letting me know they've BNDT!!
Please do not ban these members. I feel all 3 of them have been a great asset, very helpful and extremely knowledgable to alot of members here.
Something that I just remembered here. When madmolly was preg. didnt some members here question her validity? Some here thought her story was too far fetched to be real. Did she get a personal phone call? Did she get an apology? i think not, but hey im seeing how things are run here, a bit clearly now.
Sandy, mom to
Matt just turned 18, It cant be, my baby cannot be 18 already!
We just had a birthday
Sydney 7
Morgan 7
Cade 7
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casanndra
Sun Mar-18-07 02:01 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
134 posts
#265291, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 22
Exactly, Tripplefun. I agree with your post.
Kelli
Mommy to Morgan (9) and spontaneous B/B/G triplets Eric, Josh, and Hannah born 2/28/04 @ 33w1d
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Mad_molly
Sun Mar-18-07 02:11 PM
Member since Mar 17th 2007
27 posts
#265298, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 22
Nope, no phone call for me. Nope, no email for me. Jeff's moderator accused me of being a faker for a "roaming IP address" cause I expressed an unpopular opinion on the kid-gloved view of HOM pregnanies. I was told that CPS should take my children away cause I drove to San Diego for healthcare while pregnant. I agreed with another poster's physician recommendations regarding travel during pregnancy and was publically spanked by the powers that be here. lol, I'm not in the cool kid club.
Where's my smpathy phone call? Where's my big defense post? I couldn't even get Jeff to post that I wasn't fake when I proved myself. Nope. *Snif*
Lea
G 6/97
G 7/99
G 6/04 @ 34 weeks
BGG 1/06 @ 28 weeks
http://killertomatoandthepeapodsquad.blogspot.com/
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Colette
Sun Mar-18-07 02:41 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
455 posts
#265308, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 24
Jeff,
To be perfectly honest I think it is wrong to spend hours on the phone with one member (Maui) and justify her actions because of culture. I think you owe all the members of TC and explanation for that one because it seems very biased. There just seems to be too much favoritism on this board lately and I know I'm not the only one that feels that way.
There can be no disagreeing with or going against the clique. God forbid you actually have an opinion that is different. Then there is the issue of the fakers, belly men and drama mama's. Sweeping it under the rug doesn't work, ignoring it doesn't work. Mandie Clark is the best example of that, how many did she hurt and take advantage of before something was done about it.
We are adults and I think openly discussing issues (with different points of view) is the whole point of this site, isn't it? Because lately it seems like only "approved" topics are okay.....
Just my 2 cents...
Colette
http://lilypie.com>
http://lilypie.com>
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tripplefun
Sun Mar-18-07 02:56 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
786 posts
#265318, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 25
Very well siad Colette.
I truly hope Jeff and Janet see these points and take them to heart.
I am still sitting here shaking my head in disbelief.
Sandy, mom to
Matt just turned 18, It cant be, my baby cannot be 18 already!
We just had a birthday
Sydney 7
Morgan 7
Cade 7
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deetlemom
Sun Mar-18-07 02:43 PM
Member since Mar 17th 2007
11 posts
#265309, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 24
A comment concerning "family oriented cultures". I am an American (as are people from Hawaii"), of Puerto Rican decent, born and raised in the Bronx, NY. MY culture is extremely family oriented. However, I embrace other cultures and understand that not everyone is the same. This is the beauty of living in the good ol USA. We shouldn't have to walk on egg shells because an individual may be offended by something that we may write. In my opinion, that is "that" individuals problem.
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nikix3
Sun Mar-18-07 02:52 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
666 posts
#265313, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 24
Lea,
This was the first thing that came to my mind when I read the explaination. What about all the members that attacked you when you first started posting. Everyone on this board thought you were crazy As it turns out; you are one of the most educated HOM's on this board. (and another one too:)) Somebody is playing (or paying) favorites!!
Niki: Mommy to Wyatt, Weston and Riley
born 10/30/2004 at 33 weeks
http://www.babyhomepages.net/wolanzyktriplets/index.php
user name and pass: triplets
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Mad_molly
Sun Mar-18-07 03:13 PM
Member since Mar 17th 2007
27 posts
#265324, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 27
Wow, thank you for the compliment. Really. Thank you. After several of you emailed me with a few questions, it got me thinking. So I replied to an email to Jeff. Because he has the right to his private thoughts, I will only post what I said. Here is exactly what I wrote, unedited:
"Jeff,
I know I replied to you already, but another member wrote me a question that really got me thinking. If you'll notice in all of those post exchanges, I did not even respond to Maui until AFTER she called out Tiffani. She wasn't addressing me and I hadn't even acknowledged her before that point. When I wrote the IVF perspective to the natural term, I was responding to the drama that ensued from her original post...which I missed as it was pulled before I logged on. I had no idea who she was, what she had said, or what had occurred.
You continue to use my "whoop ass" joke (omitting the "LOL" following it) as the root of all evils here. I believe that you further embelished that post by adding that I said I was going to beat her in her head. My email account is flooded with email exchanges between you and other concerned members. You are continuing to use me as your scape goat! Stop it already!!! I came into the drama only about 30 mins or so before the post was pulled!!! I didn't start the threats. The whole lucky-you-not-in-my-town comment happened well before I even knew the drama even existed! The threatening PM's occurred well before I was even invloved. I am trying to play nicely here, even though I feel that you are behaving in an extremely onesided and attacking manner towards me. You don't have to support me, but stop using me as the main problem causer here by editing my words, omitting related comments, and messing up time lines! You are being UNFAIR and INAPPROPRIATE! I am saving all the copies of emails I have received from other TC members where you are writing about me. Stop slandering me in private, do it on the boards where I can defend myself or just simply shut up about me!
Good grief! I am a good person. I don't deserve to be hung out by you or Janet or TC. I refuse to be made out as a dangerouse villian in this situation. I don't deserve this. I am above slandering you back in private emails, but I am starting to feel like my silence is causing me more harm than good. If I don't defend myself, I appear as though I have no defense and that is simply not the case."
That's it. I've given it all I've got and I ain'ts gots no more! LOL! My posts with the TripletDad were inappropraite. Funny, but inappropriate. He and I (as well as the others involved) ended on a great note. He is certainly a clever and witty guy! I will whole heartedly apologize for continuing that thread as long as I did. I think several of us got swept up in a battle of sarcasitic wit, hence the reason I missed to much of Maui's drama. I don't apologize for defending the valued members (Tiffani, Michelle, Kylamel, Lesa, Jonib, etc, etc...) with humor and sarcasim in an attempt to defuse drama with laughter. Likewise, I don't apologize for defending myself on the boards either.
Lea
G 6/97
G 7/99
G 6/04 @ 34 weeks
BGG 1/06 @ 28 weeks
http://killertomatoandthepeapodsquad.blogspot.com/
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foreveramom
Sun Mar-18-07 04:01 PM
Member since Jan 30th 2006
749 posts
#265350, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 30
Lea, you're a very wellspoken person. It'd be a sad loss for this board to lose your perspective on things. And it'd be really sad as well, to lose Michelle, Kylamel and any others who have outspoken opinions or a little different view on things. We need the reality check. How would it be if we just had the yes-brigade agreeing with every post? Where would we ever get different perspectives?
Lesa
Mom to: Kristi - 20, USAF, wife & mom **Kevin - 18, a Chemical Engineering Honor Student at USF **Kelli - 16, Principal's Honor Roll student **Angus - 4, beautiful redhead **Ruca, Nadia, Max - 2, GGB triplets www.angusandthetriplets.com
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tripmom15
Sun Mar-18-07 03:03 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
984 posts
#265322, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
I'm sorry but this is a playground.
If you didn't like someone's post or found it offensive, say so and move on. Pming, threats - all of it on all sides is ridiculous. The threatening and defending and all that is just high school. This board is about advice and helping people. There will be disagreements - fine - make your point(s). No need to curse in them, threaten (if that happened) or start bashing any one member. When it gets to the point that someone has to delete your posts or ban you you've crossed a line. Is the other side wrong? Maybe so, but that doesn't make anyone right.
Be the bigger person, act like an adult and move on. I'm so sick of reading these posts about deleting, banning and fakers - have you nothing better to do in your lives than cause and perpetuate drama?
Personally I'm glad I'm not Jeff or Tiffany - I'd have lost my patience long ago.
Susan
Alison, Anna & Morgan
g/g/g Triplets born 1/25/05
at 32 weeks, 2 days
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tripplefun
Sun Mar-18-07 04:14 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
786 posts
#265353, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 29
This is a forum. A forum for families with HOM's. We are human. Everyone has there own views on raising there children. Its ok to disagree. We come here to learn, seek advice, meet people, chat, even if its useless info. Sometimes its nice just to chat with someone who can relate.
I have alot of bad days. Alot of members here have bad days, alot of members here are stressed. Having multiples is very stressful. So what we disagree, that is what makes the world go around. If everyone agrees or is afraid to disagree what will happen to this site? How will the pregnant mom's learn anything, how will the new members get to know us?
I dont take critizism badly, sometimes I give it, I dont intentially try to be rude to anyone here. Sometimes its hard to read a post and understand what that person is trying to say in just reading words. Some have a hard time trying to type something and make it sound soft and gentle.
I would rather have someone tell me im doing something wrong than to say oh your right, id rather not tell you the better way to do something in fear of upsetting someone.
I learned alot from this site when my kids were infants and toddlers. Some members had to just say to me, ok suck it up and try this, wether you like it or not. Did i get upset? NO. sometimes that is what we need to get our heads out of a cloud, esp. when we are having a bad day and the kids are causing us alot of stress.
Sorry but this my opinion. I really do not think this board would succeed if we all agreed and didnt want to step on toes and disagree.
Sandy, mom to
Matt just turned 18, It cant be, my baby cannot be 18 already!
We just had a birthday
Sydney 7
Morgan 7
Cade 7
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boomom
Sun Mar-18-07 04:34 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1369 posts
#265359, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 34
I agree with you 100% Sandy!
However, I feel as if this went way to far and totally went against the values of TC!
Yes, differing opinions and disagreements are what makes this board work, BUT I feel there should be no tolerance for the nastiness that took place these last few days!
Our moderators do not DELETE for differing opinions or disagreements. They do (and should) DELETE when they feel that things are about to get ugly or have gotten ugly, and they surely did, IMHO.
Toes will always be stepped on, it happens, but it was obvious to our moderators that it was going beyond that.
Gina
G 12yo
BGG(Down Syndrome)9yo
"You will know sorrow like few others and yet you will know joy above joy. You will meet dirty faced angels on playgrounds who are kind to your child without being told to be." Susan F. Rzucidlo
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tripplefun
Sun Mar-18-07 04:47 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
786 posts
#265364, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 35
I agree with you Gina. I missed the posts, but have read enough to know that the members that were banned did not start the fighting and threatening. The other poster started threatening them. Im sure if it were me I too would have jumped all over her if she threatened me.
Im not argueing that the posts should or should not have been pulled. My thought is that maui mom should have also been reprimanded along with the other members. Maui mom started it but got a phone call because her feelings where hurt. No one is perfect, we all say things we shouldnt, esp when threatened. What really has me confused is that she has been invited back here, yet she started the threats, the others that stood up to her and her threats has been banned.
I agree with you that nasty posts should be pulled however I have seen time and time again many posts that should be pulled yet are not. Or are left for days and days and allowed to become heated and out of hand, then pulled.
Sandy, mom to
Matt just turned 18, It cant be, my baby cannot be 18 already!
We just had a birthday
Sydney 7
Morgan 7
Cade 7
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boomom
Sun Mar-18-07 05:12 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1369 posts
#265374, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 37
Sandy,
I admit, I also did not see the posts that were pulled in the Maui mom/natural vs inf situation. I did get the impression that things became nasty and the appropriate posts were pulled. The responses that were left were actually civil and did get POV across, at least IMHO.
I did perceive the other threads that began a short time later, as being malicious and went in a negative direction and I am in full agreement of with their deletion, not that my opinion really matters,lol!
I cannot/will not comment on the banning of certain members and will keep that opinion to myself. I feel as if that should be left up to the moderators.. They should have the descretion to delete or ban as they feel fit, especially when TC's moto is "A network of caring and sharing for multiple birth families." I didn't perceive the nastiness that was exhibited the last few days, to go along the lines of that moto.
Again, I am all for disagreements, differing opinions and even conflict, as long as it is gone about respectfully, nicely and with maturity, kwim? Actually, due to the respect that was shown to me during a recent conflict, I have come to respect that particular poster highly! Had it gotten vulgar (which in knowing the poster it would NOT have) I probably would not feel that way.
Gina
G 12yo
BGG(Down Syndrome)9yo
"You will know sorrow like few others and yet you will know joy above joy. You will meet dirty faced angels on playgrounds who are kind to your child without being told to be." Susan F. Rzucidlo
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catybarra
Sun Mar-18-07 06:11 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
526 posts
#265397, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 38
I can tell you that the pulled posts were all of maui mom going off on Melanie (if my memory serves me correct.) I think the reason a lot of people have a hard time understanding where this started is because they missed it! Here is the short story:
1. Melanie made a comment about Maui not needing to mention her kids were natural/spontaneous because it had nothing to do with the question she was posting (speech.)
2. I responded to Melanie that I was sick of people jumping all over people who don't know about the whole natural/spontaneous wording. I thought the OP (AT THE TIME LOL) doesn't have to have a reason to keep that information out. She was introducing her kids to the board, plain and simple.
3. She came back AT ME viciously on the board and in PM.
4. She then realized she made a mistake and it was meant for Melanie.
5. Melanie didn't deserve the wrath that came from that. Maui (husband I think) was posting lots of stuff that were threats in caps.)
6. Maui's posts and mine to Melanie were deleted (mine shouldn't have been).
7. Maui (wife I am thinking) posted a nice warm fuzzy post. However, people responded back to what the probably husband posted from the previous thread.
8. Then it just got out of hand!
The end.
Cathy
Come visit us at http://www.leighaandthetriplets.blogspot.com/
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deetlemom
Sun Mar-18-07 06:31 PM
Member since Mar 17th 2007
11 posts
#265402, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 41
Sun Mar-18-07 06:33 PM by deetlemom
Nice summary Cathy
I will add as a defense:
What I meant with my original post was that no matter how triplets are concieved (natural/fertility treatments) they all could be at risk for speech delays. THAT is why I wrote "that piece of information was not necessary". You & She COMPLETELY took it the wrong way. I personally dont care how triplets were conceived, nor do I get offended when I see someone referring to their triplets as "natural". My older DD is a NATURAL baby and my triplets are CLOMID triplets and I am very proud of both pregnancies!!!
Melanie
(a/k/a Kylamel)
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cdemp
Sun Mar-18-07 04:40 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1033 posts
#265362, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 34
Sun Mar-18-07 05:00 PM by cdemp
I think most people on this board are open to disagreements and voicing different points of view. But when somebody writes, "Get off my nuts" because she didn't like someone else's opinion, that's being intentionally rude and NOT being open to another pov. You can't interpret it any other way. -- Gloria
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pricefamily
Sun Mar-18-07 03:17 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
113 posts
#265327, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Thank you Jeff! It is about time!!
Jackie
Mom to GGG
26 weeks, 3days
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Mamakitten3
Sun Mar-18-07 03:33 PM
Member since May 29th 2006
316 posts
#265342, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Sun Mar-18-07 03:35 PM by Mamakitten3
Thank you to Jeff, Janet and Tiffany
I really appreciate this forum and have been coming to it since I was newly pregnant. I really appreciate all of your hard work that makes this site what it is. Up until recently I found this to be a very supportive place to be. I am hoping it will go back to normal soon.
Thank You again,
Lauren
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Laurene
Sun Mar-18-07 05:22 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
2120 posts
#265382, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
I'm sorry this is happening. I'm sorry feelings have been hurt and questioned. I think it's very difficult to understand someones tone when they are typing sometimes making this even more difficult.
I hate anyone to be chased away, I feel we are all an asset to each other. HUGS to the Bleyls and Tiffany for having to make these decisions and to the involved parties.
Laurene- Proud mother of six: Janis 26 - attending UCSF for Masters in Critical Care Nursing; Jessica 24 - Graduates in May with RN; Jeremiah 22 - Married and a Diesel/Mechanic Welder with two Assoc degrees
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Annie3
Sun Mar-18-07 09:31 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
535 posts
#265469, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
If anyone in higher powers reads this post it will be a miracle but I feel like I need to say something on this subject.
I have no idea what happened or why but this post makes me upset. I grew up with and went to college with people from Samoa and understand their culture and know that with this culture alot are of a particular religion as well that puts family first. So am I to understand that because of this she gets a free pass? So do I get a free pass in the future because my family values are strong and my family comes first?
Being a moderator on a board would be a hard job, for people you know to get attacked on your board would be hard and embarassing but to hurt others in the foray that you don't know seems biased and certainly not fair. I find it very disturbing and not at all politically or ethical correct or fair.
Are we not all of the child bearing age and are we all not HOM's which is the common thread. I mean their are other cultures who talk and act different and post here and we get along but with one family you know personally we put into question the integrity of the board? I am at a loss and need an explanation as to why? I certainly do not agree with all people and do expect all people to agree with me. This is why we come to this board to get differing opinions to get new ideas and maybe expand our mind and enhance our parenting skills.
I am saddened and greatly disturbed by this email alone and feel if you do take the great resposibility to be a moderator then play fair not favorites.
Born 6/19/05 @ 32 Weeks
Kylie Mae 2lbs 13oz
Ashby Ray 3lbs 5oz
Eadan Sean 3lbs 2oz
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VballPlayer
Sun Mar-18-07 09:52 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
819 posts
#265479, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
While I understand everyone has their opinions and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I think we all forget that even though this is the internet and yes, we can and say whatever we feel like, there should still be the same decorum and respect you would show people in real life.
If someone new were to move into your neighborhood with triplets and said mine were natural and not spontaneous, would you jump all over them and tell them to say spontaneous? If someone sent you an email in all caps or all lower case letters, would you email them back and say "stop yelling at me" or "learn how to spell?" (Ok, in some cases, with close friends, yada yada,) Do you go around attacking people in public when you hear them say something wrong? I am not pointing the finger at one particular person - there's enough of that going around to last a lifetime.
Why, oh why, must we continue to drag the drama on?
And as for the board, yes it is a free site, and yes, it is here for support. But remember, Jeff and Janet created TC and the board. Therefore, they have the right to defend anyone they want, to ban anyone they see fit, and do as they please. They pay for the site, they maintain it, and we are all damn lucky to have them and this board. If you want your own board, where you can speak your mind, attack anyone you wish, say or do whatever you want, there are plenty of sites out there for you to create your own, have whomever you choose to have there and ban whomever you want. If you don't like it here, you can always leave. No one says you have to stay. If you don't like the way they do things, then create a board yourself and run it as you see fit.
Until you have walked in Janet and Jeff's shoes, I suggest we all stop the attacks on them and this board. Instead, try thanking them for doing the best job they can and still run their own family AND TC.
Thank you Jeff and Janet.
Carrie
and the crew...
Tyler 9/01 (5)
and Noah 10/03(3)
Andrew(Buddha), Jason (Trouble) and Tessa (Princess) 11/16/05
born at 35 weeks 4 days
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boomom
Sun Mar-18-07 09:56 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
1370 posts
#265482, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 44
Well said Carrie! Thank you!
Gina
G 12yo
BGG(Down Syndrome)9yo
"You will know sorrow like few others and yet you will know joy above joy. You will meet dirty faced angels on playgrounds who are kind to your child without being told to be." Susan F. Rzucidlo
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tripplefun
Sun Mar-18-07 10:00 PM
Member since Jul 18th 2005
788 posts
#265488, "RE: Since You Asked Here is the EXPLAINATION"
In response to Reply # 0
Hypoctits. This board is full of them.
Not everyone on this board is always going to agree. That is what makes the world go around. Geese.
And yes, I can spell any word any way I want.
Sandy, mom to
Matt just turned 18, It cant be, my baby cannot be 18 already!
We just had a birthday
Sydney 7
Morgan 7
Cade 7
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